Job Referenced:Ethical Question

[fwiffo]

I think in general people have to differentiate that friends and professionals are two different arenas in life. Your friends, however much you try, are simply people you work with. If you can separate that, you can easily separate Who to recommend on a professional basis.

 

[scientific]

did not read thread but OP is a dbag if he agreed to recommend someone and then gives a negative rec. even if not agreed beforehand this calls your character into question more than your friend

 

[herzzreh]

There is a Russian belief not to involve friends and relatives into anything that involves money. I think this applied here.

 

[Matt]

Originally Posted by scientific

did not read thread but OP is a dbag if he agreed to recommend someone and then gives a negative rec. even if not agreed beforehand this calls your character into question more than your friend

the way I read it, the OP didn't realise he was listed on the guy's CV as a reference til after. Is my comperhenssions wronglyed again?

 

[Rugger]

Originally Posted by Matt

the way I read it, the OP didn't realise he was listed on the guy's CV as a reference til after. Is my comperhenssions wronglyed again?

Nooooooo, you are right. I was unaware until skynet told me.

 

[Rugger]

Originally Posted by cross22

In addition to the shortcomings that the OP listed, the friend is also very lousy at picking friends.

And LOL at people who think their positive recommendation will have any consequences for them should the employment not pan out (except in a few very specific lines of work).

I am in politics. The people I know reach every end of the professional universe. Everyone knows everyone.

 

[Matt]

have you previously worked with him?

 

[scientific]

Originally Posted by Rugger

I am in politics.

somehow this makes sense.

 

[LeadSmall3BetAllIN]

If he's the kind lies and cuts corners but gets the job done with inconspicuous panache, you should indeed feel bad. If he's the kind who lies and cuts corners and gets caught not lining the edge of the gym, you should feel worse.

 

[Teacher]

Originally Posted by scientific

did not read thread but OP is a dbag if he agreed to recommend someone and then gives a negative rec. even if not agreed beforehand this calls your character into question more than your friend

Wait...the job seeker is dishonest, lazy, and possibly a thief. Rugger is torn between being loyal and being honest. And you say Rugger may have the greater character flaw? Are you being serious?

 

[Harold falcon]

Originally Posted by Teacher

Wait...the job seeker is dishonest, lazy, and possibly a thief. Rugger is torn between being loyal and being honest. And you say Rugger may have the greater character flaw? Are you being serious?

x2. Why would you want to be friends with such a person in the first place?

 

[clee1982]

I wouldn't recommend your friend if I were you.

I would talk your friend about his short coming, and say if he can turn around those ones that I can feel ok to recommend him.

Also the problem today is it's not OP's friend is incompetent (we don't know), it's a character issue, the guy cuts corner, lie etc. If it's a skill then you can always learn, but cutting corner and lie is a whole different level, I wouldn't never recommend who I know will cut corner lie and possibly steal.

 

[Rugger]

Another crux is that he's a narcissist, so if I try to confront him about it he'll just blow up on me. Perhaps that would be for the better, though.

 

[Teacher]

Originally Posted by Rugger

Another crux is that he's a narcissist, so if I try to confront him about it he'll just blow up on me. Perhaps that would be for the better, though.

Tell me again what his appeal is?

 

[Rugger]

Originally Posted by Teacher

Tell me again what his appeal is?
He's a golfing buddy - I don't have many of those. I've also known him since childhood. He's the kind of guy that needs to have friends around, but doesn't have a big group of friends. I'm not a pity friend, but he has his moments and is fun to be around golfing. I kinda just put up with him for the most part(when not golfing) and am waiting for him to mentally grow up I guess LOL.